Apr 2, 2024
Embracing the Unknown
The field of student affairs is constantly evolving, and professionals in this domain must be equipped with strategies to navigate uncertainty effectively. Success in this arena comes from a blend of versatility, patience, and transparency.
Versatility and Adaptation
Aquaneta Pinkert from Alabama State University highlights the importance of being well-versed in various areas, allowing for a smooth pivot when needed. Embracing a versatile approach prevents stagnation and ensures relevance in meeting student needs. This pivot-and-adapt strategy is crucial in staying dynamic within the field.
Patience and Trust
Taylor Cain of the University of Georgia emphasizes practicing patience amidst uncertainty. By trusting the process and focusing on controllable elements, student affairs professionals can maintain composure and lead with confidence, even when future outcomes are unclear.
Transparency in Leadership
Dr. Adrienne White from George Mason University shares her experience during COVID, when uncertainty reached a peak. By committing to monthly one-on-ones with her team and maintaining transparency, she fostered a supportive environment that not only alleviated concerns but also reinforced trust and collective problem-solving.
Moving Forward with Resilience
As student affairs professionals, embracing uncertainty isn't just about survival—it's about thriving and finding opportunities for growth. The strategies shared by these professionals are only a few of about 50 that provided a glimpse into the diversity of approaches used across the field to overcome challenges and foster an environment that champions both student and professional development.
TRANSCRIPT
Dr. Jill
Creighton [00:00:01]:
Welcome to student affairs voices from the field, the podcast where
we share your student affairs stories from fresh perspectives to
seasoned experts. This is season 10, continuing our season 9 theme
of On Transitions in Student Affairs. This podcast is brought to
you by NASPA, and I'm doctor Jill Creighton, she, her, hers, your
essay Voices from the Field host. Welcome to this bonus episode of
student affairs voices from the field. As we've returned home from
the annual conference, Chris and I are thrilled to share with you
your voices. We were able to connect with several dozen of you
throughout the conference experience to get your thoughts on the 3
conference foci areas and learn from your experiences. Across the
next 3 weeks, we're going to be dropping bonus episodes on Tuesdays
to share with you your thoughts on these three areas. The first
area was navigating the opportunities of uncertainty.
Dr. Jill
Creighton [00:00:53]:
And the question we asked you was, what strategies have you
employed to embrace uncertainty during your career, and how have
they positively impacted your professional journey? Please enjoy.
And if you were featured, thank you so much for sharing your voice
with us.
Acquanetta
Pinkard [00:01:08]:
I'm Acquanetta Pinkard. I am from Montgomery, Alabama. I work for
Alabama State University, and I am a trio professional for 23
years. Wow. That's a loaded quest 1 is pivoting. Pivoting, making
sure that I am, well versed in a lot of different areas. So I am
equipped to pivot and not get stuck in any particular area. So
making sure that I'm just able to move with the times is so and
that's been very impactful and not allowing me to get in a position
where I'm I'm stuck doing the same thing over and over again, so
that I can be impactful to my students still and revel it.
Taylor Cain
[00:01:45]:
I'm Taylor Cain. I work at the University of Georgia and serve as
the director of engagement, leadership, and service there. I think
with uncertainty, I try to exude patience, which for those who know
me would probably be surprised by that. I wish I was more patient.
But with uncertainty, I try to stay calm, rely on what I know to be
true, and then try to be patient and trust the process, as cliche
as that is, to see how things work out. Certainly, try and figure
out how I can control things within my sphere of influence. But
understanding I'm a part of a larger organization and to move
something like that forward or trying to figure out what's gonna
come next, no one can predict the future. So do the best with what
you have, but just try and stay patient.
Adrienne White
[00:02:25]:
I'm Dr. Adrienne White. I'm the director of student success
coaching at George Mason University, and I use sheher pronouns. I
actually think COVID was the most uncertain I think we've all ever
been about our careers and the future and where we were all going
with our lives. And something that I use with my team, that's when I
started doing monthly 1 on 1 with every single person on my team.
Because it gave them an opportunity to talk to me 1 on 1, talk to
me about their concerns that they're having, and then gives me an
opportunity to be able to alleviate some of those concerns or
collectively come up with solutions to some of their concerns. And
I think being as transparent as possible with the information that
I've been given has really positively impacted my professional
journey because I think it's forced me to be a more transparent
leader, and it's also really made me think about how are the to the
world events of today affecting my team and how we're supporting
our students, which is our primary job. So it's really helped me
rethink how I'm supporting my team through uncertain times.
Susan Hua
[00:03:31]:
Hi. My name is Susan Hua. I use she/her pronouns, and I'm the
director of diversity, equity, inclusion at the Community College
of Aurora, which is an MSI HSI just outside of Denver, Colorado.
The strategies that I've used to employ that I've employed to
embrace uncertainty during my career is really making sure that I
have a community of folks around me who are able to help me unpack
and debrief what I'm going through. I found that having a network
of friends and colleagues who have been really close in my journey
has been really helpful in terms of understanding the challenges
I'm going through and also offering strategies and offering support
in times of uncertainty.
Aileen Hentz
[00:04:07]:
My name is Aileen Hentz. I'm at the University of Maryland as the
program director of academic and student services. I have embraced
it fully. Many times, even now, I'm I'm 20 years into my career, I
have stuck my foot in my mouth. So one thing that I have learned to
do is try my hardest to think before speaking and to go with the
flow and to be a little bit more thoughtful, and I think that might
be some of the strategies.
Stephen Rice
[00:04:41]:
Steven Rice, director of the Office of Community Expectations at
the University of Southern California in Los Angeles, California.
Some strategies that I use to embrace uncertainty, 1, to recognize
uncertainty does happen all the time. And so you can't really
prepare for it, but you can also be ready for it. And so I do that
is looking at the positivity of it, making sure that I create
networks with different resources on campus, so when those
uncertainties come, figure out strategic stakeholders that can
utilize to create a plan to really understand how to approach this
uncertainty. But also going back and looking at how we learn and
grow as individuals and as professionals, and how we are able to
impact our university community positively by utilizing these
different uncertainties and making the learning outcomes from
it.
Amy Adam
[00:05:22]:
Hi. This is Amy Adam, and I am from the University of Missouri in
Columbia. I have been a student services support manager for 20
years, serving graduate students. One of the big things about
uncertainty in my career, I've seen a lot in the past 2 decades. We
went through some budget cuts after a campus wide protest that
affected our relationships with legislators. Those of us that
served students on campus really held fast to our values and our
goal to support students. So, really, we just did a lot of
debriefing amongst staff as well as really making sure to reach out
to our students to make sure that they knew that they were
supported and can ask for anything, and we would either support
them or get them to the right resource if they needed it.
Stephanie
Cochrane [00:06:17]:
Hi. I'm Stephanie Cochrane. I'm the director of student services at
Northeastern University in Toronto. I'm here for NASPA for just the
Sunday pre conference around graduate students. I think the main
strategy is a growth mindset. Really in Toronto and especially
Northeastern, we're growing at a really rapid pace and so we're
keeping up with that. We also have a lot of students who are coming
to the country for the first time, so international students. And
having that growth mindset means that we can create innovative
programming, try to try things for the first time, experiment a lot
with our programming, see what works, what doesn't work, and
continuously change and adjust as we go.
Amy Hecht
[00:06:57]:
Hi. My name is Amy Hecht. I'm the vice president for student
affairs at Florida State University. I've been there 7 years now.
The strategies I've employed to embrace uncertainty during my
career has really been leaning on mentors using my network, really
having conversations about what is happening, whether it's at my
institution or across the country. I've also employed a leadership
coach that's been really helpful in processing what's happening at
work or what's happening in life, and that's really helped me
navigate different moments throughout my career.
Shatera Davis
[00:07:35]:
Hi. My name is Shaterra Davis. I use she/her pronouns. I'm the
director of student affairs at Northeastern in Seattle. Move with
kindness and empathy has been one. I think it would be too simple
to say treat people as how you want to be treated. I think it's
more intentional than that, and so anytime I move careers, anytime
that I support students, I always think about what would I have
needed when I was a student, what did I get when I was a student,
my why when I came into student affairs in higher education, and
then giving myself grace and showing myself true kindness and
empathy in those moments where it's tough is something that I just
try to live by and move forward anytime, like, in my career and in
my personal life.
Andy Wiegert
[00:08:17]:
I'm Andy Wiegert, director of graduate student affairs, arts and
sciences, Washington University in Saint Louis. Yeah, it's a good
question. I think actually coming from a different industry before
I came to higher ed, I've been in higher ed now for about 11 or 12
years. I was really used to a more hierarchical structure that had
very clear trajectories, and I've really had to lean in to just
living in the moment and sort of being present at what I'm doing
now and just trusting that as I build a network that my own
development will just happen in kind.
Scott Peska
[00:08:52]:
Hi Scott Peska, Waubonsee Community College, Assistant Provost of
Student Services. I think that the best part is trying to find ways
to be resilient and one of the things that I learned early on was
to always do things a little differently. So don't take the same
route to work every day. Try to find new ways to just ensure that
you're comfortable with change. And so we get into, like, a lot of
ruts as human beings. And so we kinda get in the same patterns of
behaviors. The more that we can kinda find ways to change it up so
Tuesday, that's my secret. Tuesday is my day to do something
different every week. It's a way to try to promote being
flexible and that has helped me to process and be prepared for
uncertainty when it comes up.
Dilna Cama
[00:09:31]:
Dilna Cama. I am a director within student life at the Ohio State
University, and I am part of the off campus and commuter knowledge
community. So in terms of strategies that I've employed to embrace
uncertainty during my career, Definitely keeping eye on what the
final end goal is. It can be very difficult if you use COVID as a
perfect example. It can be easy to get lost in the day to day
barriers and challenges, but really making sure to keep focused on
that end goal and be laser focused on that has really been helpful
in my professional journey.
Sabina Kapoor
[00:10:08]:
My name is Sabina Kapoor, and I'm currently a a full time doctoral
student with Capella University. I spent over 20 years in higher
education as a staff within student affairs, student success, and
academic affairs. So as I've progressed in my career, I've focused
more on staff so that they can better serve students. I wanna go in
deep with that, so that's why I'm pursuing the doctorate in IO
Psychology because I wanna look at the relationship between the
organization and the employee. There was a I guess you could you
know, how we have midlife crisis. I had a kind of midlife crisis in
my career, and so it was like I hit a ceiling and just really
couldn't go further. So I had been wanting to pursue my PhD, and I
knew that that would help me go further. So that's what I
did. And so I've been on that journey now for a few years.
It's been rough, but I just keep thinking of the end goal. And
also, in this time, while I'm not working full time, but I'm still
staying connected in higher ed in different ways. So I'm a member
of NASPA, and so a member as a student, so I'm paying out of pocket
and it's a little cheaper than being a full time staff. I'm also a
member of Coupa, which is basically HR in in university and
colleges, and, membership is cheap to free, I think. And so it's
pretty I I think as a doctoral student, I have a membership for
free. And so the thing is that I'm trying to keep connections and
stay involved in organizations so that I know what, you know,
basically what national trends are, what are best practices,
especially since the pandemic. That really changed a lot of how we
view things.
Carlie Weaver
[00:11:48]:
Hello. I am Carlie Weaver with Rose Hulman Institute of Technology.
I'm a programs coordinator for the student activities in Union
office. To have a very flexible mindset and being open to change
and being able to be flexible when things change at the last
minute.
Roxanne Wright
Watson [00:12:08]:
Hi. My name is Roxanne Wright Watson. I'm from Lehigh Carbon
Community College in Pennsylvania, and I'm happy to be here. So So
I think most importantly for me, I am student centered. So in my
career, I'm always wanting to do new things with my students in my
in the classroom, faculty. So I wanna do new things in the
classroom to help my students in more than just academically, but
more so to help them in the world in their whole life in general.
So I think that's an important thing, an important factor there for
me.
Carla Ortega
Santori [00:12:48]:
My name is Carla Ortega Santori. I work at Rice University. I am
the strategic initiatives manager at the Door Institute For New
Leaders at Rice University, and my job is really about helping
students elevate their leadership capacity and to also elevate the
capacity of all campuses to do really great leader developments in
education. So I would say that most of my jobs have been really
ambiguous, like, they start off as something, then they turn into
this other great thing. I guess I've always been more comfortable
with ambiguity and uncertainty, so I guess knowing that it's not
something permanent helps to sort of adapt and thinking of
different avenues to accomplish one thing is also helpful when when
you think about accomplishing a goal.
Rachael Amaro
[00:13:42]:
I'm Rachel Amaro. I'm the admissions and academic advisor for the
Department of Educational Leadership within the College of
Education at Cal State Fullerton. I think that one of the main
things has been reminding myself that I am one person and knowing
what is in my control and what is not in my control. I think that's
really hard in the profession in general. I think we all mostly are
helpers, centered and ready for what my students need. And so I
think that I can be re centered and ready for what my students
need. And so I think that it's really helped me have an
understanding of what it is I want to give to what I do and what I
wanna get from what I do. I think that, again, the big takeaway for
most people these days is what do I value about my time that's
mine? And I think that I try to sort of encourage new staff members
that I work with in this because I think a lot of them come in,
again, wanting to go go go, which is great, but I also have to
remind them, like, hey, like, you know, you have vacation days for
a reason if you need it. And I feel like that's just something
that's been really helpful to me to feel a little more like I have
some balance to myself, and then it lends it to the work that
I do.
Christine
Wilson [00:16:23]:
I'm Christine Wilson. I am in student affairs at UCLA. I have two
roles. 1 is as the executive director for academic partnerships and
the other is the program director for our masters in student
affairs program. There's been a tremendous amount of uncertainty
because of the pandemic, but I think everyone has uncertainty in
their career because you don't know what's next or how that's gonna
happen. And my strategy has been to embrace uncertainty because if
you don't, you'll be unhappy and to take opportunities that come up
in order to grow and learn more about how the university works, not
just student affairs, but how everything works together. And
through taking on things I've been asked to do, I've sometimes been
incredibly busy, but it has helped me be much more effective
because I have worked in so many different areas of student affairs
just temporarily leading a unit or being involved in a task
force.
Olivia
Ruggieri [00:17:21]:
Hi there. My name is Olivia Ruggieri. I'm the associate director of
administration operations for Northeastern University Seattle
campus. I grew up in Pennsylvania, went to 2013, but I've been
working for the university since 2018. I would say just tapping
into the network of professionals around me, having other folks
review my work, and if I'm nervous about something, making sure
that I'm not the only person, like, putting that message out into
the world. And a lot of that came into place in during COVID 19
where we to be really clear with our messaging. Of course, there's
a lot of uncertainty, and we wanted to make sure that our students
got the right information the first time. Because things were
changing so rapidly, we couldn't risk, like, confusion in the day
to
Christle
Foster [00:18:11]:
day. Hi. My name is Christle Foster, and I'm from Chesapeake
College located on the Eastern Shore of Maryland in Wymeals.
Working during the pandemic was definitely some uncertainty,
especially when we had to switch from being face to face to online.
And in my role as an executive director of Trio Programs, it was
especially difficult to recruit students online because many of
them became disengaged. So definitely, that helped me to learn how
to be adaptive as well as how to be responsive to change because
that was a lot of change very quickly. We got notice, like, a
couple of days that we were shutting down and I had to switch gears
and help my staff switch gears in that time of uncertainty.
Nathalie Waite
Brown [00:18:49]:
My name is Nathalie Waite Brown. I am the assistant dean of
students and director for graduate student life at Stevens
Institute of Technology located in Hoboken, New Jersey. I think
what I've used that it's been the most successful is pause and then
practice. Being able to take a a moment just to stop and think
about what isn't working and what I want to work, and then putting
those things into practice, and that may mean reconnecting with my
mentor. It may mean taking a class. It may be connecting with
students, but really just taking a moment to pause and reflect to
be able to move forward and put what I need into practice.
Dae'lyn Do
[00:19:27]:
My name is Dae'lyn Do. I use sheher pronouns, and I am the
associate director for the Women in Science and Engineering
Residence program at the University of Michigan, and I am coming
into the position of the WISA KC co chair. For me, personally, I
feel like relying on my people to get me through kind of the when I
have questions about things or come across challenges, I just reach
out to my colleagues or my mentors and help process through things.
I think all of us have to work together in this field to really
rely on each other to try to get through those challenges together
and utilize each other's experiences and knowledge and just keep
sharing that with each other.
Natalie DeRosa
[00:20:09]:
So my name is Natalie DeRosa, and I'm from Lehigh Carbon Community
College in Schnecksville, Pennsylvania. So I'll start by saying
that I'm a young professional. I think the key is to keep calm, and
I'm still learning, and that's why I'm here. That's why I'm at
NASPA, is to learn how to do that and do it gracefully.
Dan Volchek
[00:20:38]:
Dan Volchek, assistant dean of student success at Harvard Griffin
Grad School of Arts and Sciences. In embracing uncertainty, I've
looked at what other schools do and read publications about that
and that has helped me manage the uncertainty that I faced during
my career of which have been a number of pieces. But the biggest
thing I think the strategy I've used is networking with people,
utilizing my connections in NASPA to help me get through the
uncertainty that I faced in my career and my professional
journey.
Vaughn Calhoun
[00:21:12]:
Vaughn Calhoun, Seton Hall University, hehim. Yeah. I think for me,
really, it's just pausing and making sure that you can understand
the the context of of what's happened to the best of your abilities
and knowing that things can change, and they probably will change,
but also knowing that you can only control the controllable. And
for me, it's attitude and effort. And it's one thing I always share
with my staff is we can control what we can control. Those things
we can't control, we shouldn't spend too much time thinking about
it and just do what we can.
Darlene
Robinson [00:21:43]:
My name is Darlene Robinson. I'm the RISE gen 1 director for Seton
Hall University. Some of the strategies that I've employed to
embrace uncertainty during my career is more so looking inward,
sitting with certain questions, ideas, and things that I, as a
person, would like to have in a career, and just figuring out how
that how what I have and what I need can impact those around me and
best service students or coworkers that I come in contact with, and
asking questions of those people as well to know what it is that
they need and how I can provide it.
Miguel Angel
Hernandez [00:22:21]:
Hello. My name is Miguel Angel Hernandez. I am the associate vice
president and dean of students at San Francisco State University. I
think one of the things that I do related to strategies is really
ground myself and center myself in the idea and concept that a
greater power is at work, that nothing whatever situation comes. I
think the second piece that's important about that that brings me a
lot of confidence is that I don't have to navigate uncertainty
alone. Here at NASPA is a reminder that we are a part of an amazing
professional association. Through relationship and thinking with
partners and coming up with strategies or responses to the critical
issues that are facing our profession today, I do believe that we
are able to emerge better than we were yesterday. And so when I
think about uncertainty, what brings me comfort is that I am only a
text message, phone call, social media post away from an amazing
network of thought partners, and that has guided me and continues
to guide me. I think in terms of how this has positively
impacted my professional journey is that it allows me not to feel
like I have to know everything or be over prepared or have every
aspect of a job description or an invitation under my belt because
again, we are not in this alone. Together, we thrive.
David Chao
[00:23:47]:
Hello. My name is David Chow. My pronouns are hehim. I serve as the
director of IT for student affairs at the University of Pittsburgh,
and I'm also the chair of the technology knowledge community. I
think I spent a lot of time trying to plan ahead and anticipate. I
think planning, while you can't plan for everything, it can
certainly help and to help minimize variability whenever possible.
It's just helped to mitigate that. But it's not always
easy. And, unfortunately, as we just came off the pandemic,
there are times when we just don't have a plan and we have to go
with it, but I think planning in general still builds up a habit
that is helpful even in times of uncertainty.
Melinda Stoops
[00:24:20]:
Hi. I am Melinda Stoops. I serve as the associate vice president
for student health and wellness at Boston College. In looking at my
career in student affairs, which has been over 20 years at this
point, there have certainly been many points of uncertainty. And
even though I've employed different strategies at different points
in times and in different situations, I really think the one
constant point for me has really been connecting with others and
opening up, even if just to one person, about something I'm dealing
with where I feel uncertain. There's nothing better than having
someone listen to you and support you, and I so much value my
network both within student affairs and outside of student affairs.
And I feel like regardless of the situation, that's always been
something really helpful for me is to feel like someone's there
supporting me even if they don't have the answers per se, but that
I just have someone who is in my corner and cheering me on. And
sometimes they provide great guidance as well.
Derek Grubb
[00:25:20]:
Derek Grubb, Dean of Enrollment Management for Red Rocks Community
College in Colorado. Biggest strategy I really just employ is
strength in the knowledge of others. I've always believed building
a team that has unique strengths, can lean on each other, and so
you're able to be more agile and reflecting and promoting those
strengths in each person.
Matt Imboden
[00:25:41]:
My name is Matt Imboden. I use the hehim pronouns. I serve as the
chief student services officer in the School of Business at Wake
Forest University in North Carolina. And, for the past few years,
I've also been chairing the administrators and graduate and
professional student services knowledge community for NASPA. So I
think I've found that during times of uncertainty, it's taken me a
few knee scrapes along the way. But I think I've learned that at
that time is kinda when your motivating values are kinda the
clearest, and they sort of help to clarify things for you, renew
your focus. And so during times of uncertainty or stress or strain,
as I kinda come back to the things that one, got me engaged in the
work I do in the 1st place. I mean, that, like, truly motivate you
without kinda being distracted by all the tasks and initiatives and
ideas that tend to pile up, but kind of focus on our students, what
excites us about working for and with them, but then also
increasingly to try to be a good leader for other staff and faculty
colleagues to make a difference at our institutions.
Evette
Castillo Clark [00:26:39]:
Evette Castillo Clark, vice president for student life and dean of
students at Lewis and Clark College, Portland, Oregon. I employ a
strategy of being an iterative thinker. So sometimes what that
means is working with your team, working with your staff to pilot
things or think through things and outcomes or problems to a
solution, throw it on the wall, see if it works, and it's okay if
there's mistakes or if it's okay if it didn't work. You regroup,
and you think through and toy through the uncertainty and the
problem again. So I think one of the soft skills that it is really
becoming the skills is really being flexible with your thinking,
being understanding that sometimes that first go around, it's not
gonna work, but you retool and you regroup and you go at it again,
and you might actually have to convene different stakeholders to
actually help you with the problem to address the uncertainty
again.
Madeline Frisk
[00:27:33]:
Hello. My name is Madeline Frisk. I work at Portland State
University. I'm the coordinator of student government relations and
advisor to Greek life. So I work with our student government, all
of the committees and groups within that, as well as 4 strong and
mighty small Greek life groups as well. I would say being
a retired navy brat, navigating uncertainty was kinda a part of the
career, we'll say. Navigating, moving every 3 years, I got pretty
used to adapting, being the new kid, and I think that served me
well now in the student affairs profession with all the ups and
downs we can navigate with our career.
Gene Zdziarski
[00:28:08]:
This is Gene Zdziarski. I'm vice president for student affairs at
DePaul University. I think the biggest thing when there's times of
uncertainty and questioning is you try to do your homework, you try
to learn more about the situation, and I think what I found to be
most helpful is utilizing my professional network, reaching out to
my colleagues in the profession, getting their perspective, hearing
what they've thought. This is clearly one of the places that, at
least for me, NASPA has served as my professional home, and the
people that I interact are really that support network that I use
throughout my career to help guide me and make decisions not only
about what's happening on my campus and how to better serve
students, but also, how I might look at next steps or where my
professional journey is going to go.
Lyza Liriano
[00:28:54]:
Hello. My name is Lyza Liriano. I currently serve as an area
coordinator at DePaul University in Housing and Residence Life.
Originally, I am from Brooklyn, New York. I think that as there has
been a lot of uncertainty within higher ed, especially post
pandemic, I remember being a grad student not knowing if the
program would continue in terms of my grad assistantship in housing
and being very nervous about, is this the career that I wanna go
to, even though it was something that I really love. I think what I
started doing then and what I continue to do now is really just
tapping in on my network, and really just having those people that
I can go to to provide me with hope. So a lot of my old directors,
old supervisors, and assistant directors have been really just a
sounding board for me, providing words of encouragement and really
just also finding people outside of higher education that I can
just lean on when I need someone to talk work with that don't
necessarily know what I'm talking about when I'm talking about
work.
Jackie Cetera
[00:29:54]:
Jackie Cetera. I use sheher pronouns, and I serve as the director
of residential education at Bucknell University in Pennsylvania. I
would say that mentoring has been really impactful for me. Having
different mentors throughout my career to help me through whatever
my day to day or just life throws my way has really helped me. For
individuals to provide the time and the space to talk through
situations has really had a positive impact on me and has gotten me
heavily
Lisa Landreman
[00:30:36]:
My name is Lisa Landreman. I'm the vice president for student
affairs at Willamette University in Salem, Oregon. So I would say
how I've prepared myself and established for uncertainty,
maintaining flexibility and humility, I think I would start with
and making sure that I'm able to be calm, cool, collected, that I
am taking care of my own well-being. It starts there. And so having
good balance, having good support, having my network in place for
when things get hard. So when I'm can be centered and prepared, I'm
better able to handle the uncertainty and the anxiousness and the
crisis that comes. I think it has helped me be a stronger leader
when I can model calmness and that I am not rattled with the ebb
and flow of whether it's the world or our campus or student issues.
I think being well read and well versed in issues in the field, so
professional conferences, professional connections, institutes,
networks has really helped me stay grounded in new ideas, creative
solutions, best practice, collaboration.
Lisa Landreman
[00:31:42]:
And so I feel like I have kept my toolkit and my skills honed. You
know, that isn't just I get my master's degree and get my PhD and
I'm done. That it is I am constantly looking for where do I need to
learn more and who could I learn it from or where could I learn
that. So I feel like even if I don't know something in the moment,
I know who I could connect with, where to go, who might have it,
what resource do I need to brush up on. I think both those personal
qualities of being okay with me and then being well versed, but
then also knowing that it's okay that we don't know in the instant
how to respond, that to take a moment to find the answer, to listen
to solutions. Also, I would say hiring a really strong team around
me and then modeling for them to be that we are a learning
organization, so so that we're gonna learn together, that we create
opportunities in our weekly meetings or in our retreats and things,
that we are I am modeling that kind of learning. We read articles
together. We present to one another that we share learnings on a
regular basis. And so that has served me to both cultivate
stronger professionals in my organization, also motivation and
enthusiasm about learning new things, and also just it has allowed
us to be a team in these uncertain times. Right? That we can work
together, that we might make some mistakes along the way, but we
can quickly recover because we're a learning organization.
Jackie Yun
[00:33:03]:
Hi. I'm Jackie Yun. I take the she series, and I serve as the
executive director of the Harvard Griffin GSAS Student Center. I
think that sometimes with uncertainty comes opportunity, and so
some of the pivots in my career have actually turned out to be
excellent silver linings and opportunities to specialize or to
pivot, go to a different type of institution, work with different
type of student, and so I've tried to see those as opportunities to
learn. I think creating a learning mindset and just seeing
everything as an opportunity to expand what we know keeps it
interesting too.
Leanna
Fenneberg [00:33:37]:
Hello. This is Leanna Feneberg. I'm the incoming chief student
affairs officer at Duquesne University. I have had the experience
of positions being eliminated and having to start a national job
search and relocate with my family. And while those have been
troubling times, I see them as wonderful opportunities to reflect
on who I am and what I value and what I want in my next position
and have always appreciated when one door closes, another one opens
and seeing the opportunities that lie ahead.
Jake Murphy
[00:34:10]:
Jake Murphy, I'm the director of prospective students services at
OSU Institute of Technology, and I am over all recruitment and
retention efforts at the university. So probably the biggest thing
that I have put in place has been growth mindset. That's been a big
one to be able to make sure that I am doing the best that I can and
make sure that my team is in top form but also making sure that
they look towards their professional goals because it is for
recruitment, it's a stepping stone for a lot of people.
Larry Pakowski
[00:34:39]:
Larry Pakolski. I'm the vice president for student engagement,
inclusion, and success at Aims Community College in Greeley,
Colorado. I think the biggest thing is looking at kind of what
students need and and their voice in the equation, and then letting
that be the north star, like students first always. And then we get
into the budget and what's possible and how soon can we do that by
really kind of keeping that north star of students first.
Jillaine
Zenkelberger [00:35:02]:
Hi. I'm Dr. Jillaine Zenkelberger. I am the program coordinator
over at Graduate Student Life at the University of Notre Dame. My
professional career has been, even though somewhat short still has
been kinda all over the place. I started as a social worker in
foster care and now I'm here in grad services and I think
uncertainty is just for me I utilize my uncertainty in my career
path. I try to frame it as a benefit because I have a really
diverse background with social work in my background, psychology,
and really utilizing these skills to serve the community that I'm
in now which is grad students. Also, my own journey as a grad
student has really affected the way I work and how I interact with
my students.
Kristen
Merchant [00:35:48]:
Hi, everyone. I'm Kristen Merchant. I am from Rose Hulman Institute
of Technology. I am the associate director of the Union and Student
Activities Office there and also the director of our lead programs.
Some strategies that I have employed to embrace uncertainty is I
always like to come to everything with a plan. I always say plan
for anything that could possibly happen, but then also being
flexible enough to pivot for my Friends fans and be able to kind of
adjust to the various situations.
Joe Lizza
[00:36:18]:
My name is Dr. Joe
Lizza. I'm the director of the Chamberlain Student Center and
Campus Activities at Rowan University in New Jersey. I think early
on, I tried to kinda shape some of the work that I do in really in
my interests. So I really find stuff that I have true interest and
then try to kinda shape that position or shape that professional
development opportunity to kinda really be 100% fully engaged. And
I've also always been open to opportunity even when it maybe there
was uncertainty. So in the idea of not knowing what possibly I
might do or my next step, I always kind of rose to the idea that,
hey, let me try this new opportunity out. What's the worst that
could happen? And it's ultimately kinda worked out for me.
Joshua Allred [00:37:03]:
My name is Joshua Allred. I work at Louisiana State University in
the College of Agriculture as their manager of student services. I
think when I think about uncertainty, I try to find in any job that
I apply for or when I choose to stay where I'm at. Most recently,
it's all been about the people that I work with. And so if I have
strong leadership and I feel really comfortable with that
leadership, that uncertainty feels a little bit more easy to
navigate because I feel a lot of strength in that leadership.
Kelley O'Neal
[00:37:30]:
Hello. Kelley O'Neal. I am at Texas A&M University, and I am
the executive director of the Marylin Kent Burns Student Success
Center. So one of the things I continue to do is try to be
innovative and think what's next? What more can I do to support
students and support student success? I don't wanna come in and do
the same programs over and over again. I want to do my best to
collaborate, whether it's with my partners in academic affairs or
my partners in student affairs. But whenever uncertainty comes,
then that says, how do I make sure that students are successful?
Because in uncertainty, they wanna make sure that what you're doing
is supporting student success. So that's what I do.
Kelley O'Neal
[00:38:19]:
I would say recently, the strategies that I've employed is really
falling to networking and mentorship. In early career, I don't
think I valued those two pieces as much as I do in my later stages
of my career, and finding mentors that can help me shape my career
trajectory for the last part of my career, and taking advantage of
things like the Institute For Aspiring VP's here at NASPA, as well
as other maybe smaller regional conferences and conferences within
the graduate school community to help create that next plan for my
career, but definitely mentoring and networking.
Katie Caponera
[00:39:03]:
I'm Katie Caponera, director of student life at Harvard Divinity
School. I think the biggest approach to approaching uncertainty has
just been to remain open to new ideas and new possibilities and
never get too attached or set into what's traditional or what's
always this is how we've always done it. That can be a challenge at
a place that is as old and has as much history as Harvard and one
of its affiliates, But being one of the smaller schools at Harvard,
we've we have the ability to try some new approaches and some new
directions with a little bit more fluidity given that we're kind of
in the corner and small, but just not not being precious about how
things have been done in the past, but really engaging, you know,
what ideas the students are bringing to us because they're the best
indicators of what they need on campus.
Kathy Dilks
[00:39:58]:
My name is Kathy Dilks, and I am the director of graduate student
and post doctoral affairs at the Icahn School of Medicine, the
Graduate School of Biomedical Sciences. I think the strategy that I
always employ is staying connected with my colleagues and being
open and honest with my peers. I rely on the people around me to
help me navigate certain waters and certain uncertainties, and I
rely on other people to help me gain valuable insight.
Julie Payne
Kirchmeier [00:40:30]:
Julie Payne Kirchmeier, vice president for student success for the
University of Indiana University. It's not really a system. It's a
multi campus university, but we can say Indiana University System
if that's easier for folks to kind of place the role. When I think
about strategies employed to embrace uncertainty, you know, this
may sound a little bit trite, maybe not. I just constantly
important because, you know, there are elements of ethics and
integrity that are woven into the how, but there are multiple ways
to get there. And so when it feels uncertain or it feels strange,
if I can go back to what it is at my core or as an organization,
the mission or the purpose, I think it really helps to ground you
and then you can move forward through that uncertainty.
Dr. Jill
Creighton [00:41:17]:
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